~ SUB-RSOR CLUBS

[Winifred Ellen Young]

winnieFRED

Hey Guys,

I have a proposed idea that I think could benefit RSOR members. Within the school there are many clubs that people can join, but ultimately it is normals and reincarnates so the reincarnations can't be themselves. I propose sub-clubs in RSOR.

So how this would work? Get together enough people with common interests to form a sub club. So for a few examples!

RSOR-Aviation Club: Orville Wright, Wilbur Wright, Harriet Quimby, Katherine Wright (assuming she ever can be seen to associate with RSOR), Myself and of course anyone interested in learning about Aviation.

RSOR-Writers Club: William Shakespeare (if he is interested), Lewis Carrol, Tolkien, Marilyn Monroe, Janis Joplin, Freddie Mercury, etc and Anyone interested in writing or needs help with a writing assignment.

RSOR-Art Club: Iaia, Michelangelo, Walt Disney, I am sure some of our inventors would be interested, anyone interested in learning or simply creating art works.

RSOR-Debate Club: We have more than enough politicians for this.

That was just a couple of examples of what I propose. I figure if we set it up correctly we could use the RSOR room for club meets on other days of the week if we discuss the idea with Hanston. And the best part is we can stack multiple clubs on the same night that relate and each of those nights require just one of us to be present.

I am personally willing to supervise multiple nights a week as required, even if I am not huge on the club ideas involved. We don't have to get involved, we just need to be there and do our own thing while keeping an eye on everything.

Naturally this is an idea, and I want to see your input. I know a few club members have already expressed similar interests/ideas like this because they want a place to safely create more than once a week if possible. This at least expands their time to twice a week and gives room for people of like minds to discuss topics that are related.

Well, what do you guys think?

[Cornelius Dennis Cox]

I'm all for it! Matter of fact, I might be interested in joining and supervising that debate club. With my luck Jenson will join and oh what fun we'll have then...

[Winifred Ellen Young]

winnieFRED

We can even do a 'fight club' per say for those who are combat trained and want to learn....

I guess that is 2/6 so far for it...I would certainly take Aviation and a couple of clubs extra that you guys don't want to cover.

[Skylar Thomas Ingot]

x.x I am in so many activities as it is I hardly have time to myself, but as long as it's just being in the room that I have to do I can see what I can do. No promises on how often that will be though for me, but I don't see why not seeing as it would help with security issues on students doing reincarnate things in their dorms around normals or even within 1000 feet of Errol and his nonsense.

[Isabella Jillian Avadore]

I'm going to play devil's advocate here, guys. I don't like this idea. At all. Not as formal clubs or rent out the room days, for several reasons.

Firstly, there's the issue of doubling over clubs. Okay, so Riverdale doesn't have an Aviators Club, but you can bet it has a Debate Club, Literature Club, and Art Club. And frankly, the fact RSOR has a parallel club wouldn't be secret for long. Then how do we explain that? I'm personally not even sure Hanston could back up a doubled club like that; what would she say? We're more "advanced"? And maybe some of us are, in an academic way, but then turn around and look at my math mark, or Bonnie and Clyde. That can't be painted over the group as a whole, so she can't use that excuse. Even if that were to fly (no pun intended) it always means that an "advanced" normie not being part of the club is unjustifiable - to be a member of a club to be a member of a club doesn't work. So, a "RSOR musical club" couldn't justify not including Errol, and a RSOR Debate Club couldn't justify not having the next US president.

That alone limits it fairly well to things normal teens don't know how to do; such as fly/invent planes. But if normals get wind of an Aviator's Club, it only takes one normie interested in planes speaking up to cause a school outcry that again, Hanston can't fight. I mean, keeping RSOR afloat without her losing her job is enough, especially after the key fiasco. A "fight club" is an easy example of this. I'm pretty sure plenty of normie would LOVE to learn how to fight like we do - if they've ever seen one of us in action. But there;s no outcry when sparring goes down because that's not a club. It's just people doing things. And frankly, if they want to learn, who are we to deny that?

That leads me to my second point. I highly doubt any of you would feel differently - Fred, if a normie wanted to learn how a plane worked, do you honestly think the Wright brothers would deny them just because they're a normie? That's not right (no pun intended), and while yes, it happens in ever club, tag on "RSOR" to it, and suddenly everyone is in more trouble than we need.

Now, I also understand you just want to be your own group, where the Aviator's club isn't Fred, it's Amelia, and not Oliver, but Orville Wright. So, just make a club not affiliated with RSOR, and hold it in a dorm. If you refuse entrance to a normie, you do. But it wouldn't be "because I'm not RSOR". For example, if I were anti-RSOR, and the RSOR Debate Club refused me entry, I'd call it the same as the KKK Glee Club refusing me entrance because I'm black. But if an ordinary glee club refuses entrance, well, maybe it's just because I couldn't sing well enough. It's all about association.

Furthermore, do we really want to sub-divide RSOR with official clubs? What about people who don't have a club? Would Bonnie & Clyde be allowed to make a thievery club? And what sort of Club could Lenita join? A "killed for witchcraft club"? That alone gives us a whole new world of grief. Besides, look at it this way - don't we already hang out in groups? The aviators are oft seen with aviators. You can find me with the other "warlords" playing COD, chess, or Risk often enough - we already gravitate towards 'birds of a feather' - is a club just overkilling? I think so. Besides, that doesn't give room for general socializing. We often open the room out of meeting dates for people to hang out. Given the room to clubs means that everything is regimented, and I wouldn't be surprised if certain people only bothered to come on the day their club got the room - they found their niche, why bother mixing with people from Ancient Greece if they grew up in the Renaissance?

It'll limit what RSOR is meant to be for; a safe haven for all, to meet everyone. Not just like-minded people. And there's no reason to argue meeting the like-minded will lessen conflict. Globally, that bolstered racism, bit on a RSOR only scale, do not most of us get along? Iskander and Vaughn haven't started wars (they might both be warlords, but keep in mind they spent much of their lives trying to beat the other to submission), and I'm a saint that's best friends with a criminal from the '30's. Would that have happened with sub-rsor clubs? Maybe, given we share a dorm, but if we didn't? Doubtful, if not for the RSOR room.

Edison pointed something else out, too. He's already part of plenty of clubs. There's enough out there for 90% of us as it is. Really (and not to single you out, Fred), the main thing here is with the aviators. The writers and painters we have (and let's be frank) are generally to reclusive. Besides, would it really be wise to have Michelangelo and Da Vinci trying to create a club? And Chess, if I'm not mistaken, did a lot of pottery, something the other two did not. Wouldn't it fit her better to go and stick around in the Art club we already have, where they do pottery normally? Sure, they can be themselves more. But they'd be doing that while not talking much, or fighting to the death.

Also, we're forgetting something. If we have our own clubs, and if they're associated with RSOR, we're paying for them. We pay out of our own pockets for the snacks and movies in the room (remember when Jennah and Sylent were pregnant? We couldn't get our allowances fast enough!) but the school pays for the upkeep of the room itself. So...who pays for rsor sub clubs? The LP or the school? Would we have to charge for entry? Probably, and with such small numbers, even with my badness at math, we'd have to charge crazy amounts. The Art Club already requires a fee - and they have plenty of students. With 3 people, the expenses would be sky high - moreso with what they'd elect to use. Hanston can't justify that kind of spending - she'd lose her job, and it's highly possible we'd lose the RSOR room if not all of RSOR. With the club at an all time high of people, we can't afford to do that - we can't fit everyone anywhere else that's private.

RSOR is a CLUB onto ITSELF. It's not something that should be divided within itself again! I'm flat-out refusing creating clubs within it, and you can bet I'll fight it.

However, I propose a simpler solution than trying to subdivide RSOR.

Just make the club you want.
Seriously.
Just don't affiliate it with RSOR.
And then, if it's a group that *cough*just so happens*cough* to be filled up my reincarnates only, post a notice of where it's held in the RSOR room, or on the website. No club people could for would be so big it needs anything more than a dorm. And as a "Riverdale Club" you could get use of a classroom, anyways. Done. Easy. You could even get school funding that way, and no one would raise an eyebrow about anything.

Isn't that much easier? I think so.

[Cornelius Dennis Cox]

Hmm, I suppose I can see your point, Isabella. The hope would have been that the Anti-RSOR would not find out about the sub-RSOR clubs. We can never underestimate Anti-RSOR, however - They've already proven that. They're crafty, and for people on their first go round, are quite good at what they do.

That said, I don't feel that we in RSOR have the right to deny people the ability to form their own clubs within RSOR if they wish to.

Isabella, I believe you came up with a fine compromise in your essay (and yes, I will call it that, considering it's length =P ). I do see the inherent dangers of involving sub clubs with RSOR, but that doesn't necessarily mean that clubs cannot be created with RSOR members. I must agree that sectioning off the room for certain groups on certain nights would take away the one 'safe place' that some of our members have left in the school, and we obviously can't have that.

However, there are other safe places within the school. In some cases, even outside of the school. There are dorms that are not inhabited by normals, and the walls of dorms are for the most part soundproof. So long as you aren't using a jackhammer within them, or trying to launch off a sonic jet, you should be safe.

In addition, I am willing to offer up my family's barn in cases of meetings that are to take place outside of school. As a member of the Leader's Panel, RSOR security is of utmost importance, and I would be certain that no one in my family would happen upon the barn during that time. I certainly know that you, Fred, are welcome to come to the barn at any time.

[Isabella Jillian Avadore]

I'm not denying that RSOR members should be able to form clubs, and that was why there was that *coughcough* bit. All the club would have to do to be a "reincarnates club" is simply to not let in normals. But if it gets associated to rsor directly, then it's not simply saying no, it's discrimination in the eyes of a normal. It's really quite sad that we have to go to these lengths, because...it's really not. And they don't have to act publicly - you're right, Corny, there's plenty of private spaces besides the RSOR room and my "essay" mentioned that. But all I'm saying is that they can't be:
a. official
b. called "the rsor ______ club"

Because we all know the anti-rsor is crafty enough to draw the lines and connect dots, and the point of RSOR was not for it to be subdivided.

[Winifred Ellen Young]

winnieFRED

Well that wasn’t quite what I expected…but here is my essay...

But I feel that those entire defenses hinge on one major factor, and that is the idea that the rest of the school finds out. I am not suggesting we publicly say “RSOR-Aviators Club” (though for the sake of arguing my opinion I will keep calling them RSOR-sub clubs) since that seems to be the example you keep coming back to. In fact, I am not trying to discriminate against normals either, seeing as I have many normal friends in the general school population. What I was hoping for is a chance for like minds within RSOR to have some private time and space to themselves without worrying about normal listening in and catching wind of something. On the contrary, I was thinking this was a way to crack down on security.

Our club members all talk outside of the club anyways. How many times have people been caught doing or saying things that could get us completely busted into the open for who we really are? I want to give everyone more chances to be themselves than just one night a week, and possibly within certain interest groups. It is hard to for example debate at length in RSOR meets on Thursdays because there are so many other people in the room. If everyone divided off on those nights the room would become chaotic, space would be an issue and even more so as we continue finding more reincarnates within the school.

So, to further break this down…

The goal is to keep it completely within RSOR and not announce anything or allow any awareness outside RSOR for that would defeat the point entirely. It takes people who are performing, creating, or even merely using their talents outside the RSOR room and brings similar talents together in a safe and secure environment to do these things. It is more secure than say a dorm room where it is possible to be walked in on or even overheard. There is no place more secure than the attic. This means that there is no reason for others to feel excluded from these micro-clubs or sub-clubs. In fact, if exclusion were a problem RSOR wouldn’t exist today. We can’t afford to include normals in an aviators club or an art club or even a fight club because suspicions would rise over the talents of the RSOR members leading to more clues for Anti-RSOR to snatch up.

I agree that Normals want to learn these things too and could want to join these clubs but it is exceptionally dangerous to put say the Wright brothers making remote control planes, myself flying them and a group of normies (likely some Anti-RSOR members sticking their noses in) to observe and make connections. They’ve already started to make some connections between strange and unexplainable talents amongst our members.

Now, let’s assume we make a normal style club and just say no to Normals. We hold it in someone’s dorm every Tuesday and we chatter, we laugh, we have a good time. Well when the normals start wanting to join and we start declining them, it isn’t going to take long for people like Tamara and Errol to start making connections. They will realize that only RSOR members are involved and gradually they will start snooping. Now that club HAS to disband or risk RSOR security. So the entire purpose falls to pieces.

As for people who ‘don’t have a club to join’…everyone in RSOR have talents and abilities. Anyone is welcome to join an ‘RSOR sub club’ if they want to. The point isn’t so much to keep people who lack talent in that area out, but to let people in RSOR show their colours within an environment or club of their choice. I mean, I think it almost unfair how our Artists cannot join art club for fear that those who have knowledge in art will make a connection that their work looks like their past work. Or that our politicians may struggle in a debate club because some of their knowledge on certain topics isn’t historically known or recorded. In fact, if you ask me it gives them a chance to have a club where they can do something they enjoy or what to learn how to do and then be themselves at the same time.

We could also make a mandatory requirement that they attend Thursday’s meets if they intend to go into sub-club meets. There is refining to be done, and more than one sub-club could share the room at a time, leading to more mingling. Imagine what an Art Club could do for the visuals of the airplanes the wright brothers create. Or the ideas that could be formed from a combined writers club and debate club in the room at the same time…It leaves room for people to learn from each other. It leaves room for improvement in fields that they haven’t participated in before.

To use your own example. Michelangelo and Da Vinci could learn from Chess how to do pottery and show her more about their own styles of art. It’s a chance to learn and share, expanding knowledge. You are sorely mistaken if you think I am suggesting this just for an Aviators Club. If that was all this was about I’d have founded an aviators club by now. I just want to see our members get the best possible chances to mingle, learn and expand more than they have before. Education now does little for a lot of them. They are not challenged, are disinterested or fail to see the purpose. We can give them a way to learn things that interest them in ways that perhaps formal education doesn’t.

Now we get to the fact of money. Naturally, funding is a requirement. So why not have small fees for entering or coming each week like you suggest. Or just require them to cover their own supplies. Don’t people already pay for their own supplies within RSOR because they avoid the original clubs? Not everyone does mind you, but this gives those who are more reclusive from other clubs from fear of their identities being known a chance to enjoy themselves as well. What costs are there over all to operating a club. We need a room, we have one. Other than that it’s just supplies to work and most of the RSOR members who would want a particular club would have some of those supplies already in their possession. They will share just fine. And if it comes to needing more I am sure many of them would be willing to pool for additional supplies.

If using the room becomes a problem, then just arrange it a bit more cleanly so there is plenty of room for everyone else who wants to be there. I am not suggesting we just say no to other RSOR members being in the room the nights it is open. In fact quite the opposite. I say the more the merrier. But it would be nice for likeminded people to have a chance to explore each other’s strengths and weaknesses in a secure place and learn from each other without fear of discovery.

And thanks for the offer Cornelius. I will definitely consider that. Sounds like a safe place for a little larger scale meets between members…at the very least I would like to make use of that later. I’ll text you about it after I discuss with the Wright Brothers. We’ve been contemplating a larger project than a dorm room as room for.

To summarize; I am not proposing we call them “RSOR ___ Club” and I am not proposing we let normals know at all about these clubs. I am proposing that we have the ability to make clubs that are RSOR only and use the RSOR room for them so we won’t risk the problems that we all have in the first place of being discovered doing something extraordinary in the eyes of normals. Anti-RSOR will make the connection either way if we start refusing normals and normals know about the clubs we make. So ultimately it is safer to do them within the RSOR room and out of sight of anyone who could gain anything from it and at the same time prevent other security risks like our artists, inventors, politicians and other such individuals doing what they are so phenomenal at in places that a normal could walk in on or overhear.

So there you have it…